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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jul 21, 2011 11:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wharf Rat, Jefferson Airplane, other gentlemen's crimes

i think RH might have forgotten an even more telling line from 'We Can Be Together', earlier in the song:

We are all outlaws in the eyes of America
In order to survive we steal cheat lie forge FUCK hide and deal

and i defintely remember hearing it on my vinyl (purchased early '80s); JA more than any other group from that place and time, pushed the envelope when it came to lyrics

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 21, 2011 3:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Arb, Fenario & Dan

Ah, perhaps it was on the basis of the 45, that would've been rec'ing airtime in my youth, upon which we formed our "they wimped!" or some such? I searched and realize I do not own the orig album or 45, but may have lost them over the yrs...

In any case, I still have the distinct memory (but this counts for less and less these days) of my thinking at the time "it's NOT on this ONE" but from what folks have chimed in with, my particular "one", may have been only one of a handful...I defn agree things might have been changed over the yrs as well.

Recall the Moby Grape album with the obvious "finger" on the cover (the hand on the washboard for those that know of what I speak) which was quickly removed after the initial release (my brothers proudly displayed both album and a poster, with finger, prior to the switch-a-roo...). Don't have that one anymore either.

Damn.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jul 21, 2011 4:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Arb, Fenario & Dan

hmm, perhaps as vapors posted below, you recall the 45, not the LP? i DO have the original pressing of Volunteers, and just listened right now, and it's very audible, both the lyric that i posted above, and the 'up against the wall, motherfuckers'

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 22, 2011 10:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Arb, Fenario & Dan

Cool; they deserve the credit then, as you note.

Seems somewhat naive looking back on it all these days, but I recall my brothers wearing Blk Panther pins (showed the panther, and said "honorary member" or some such). Not unlike the DEAD's initial fascination with Hell's Angels I suppose. And just generic "against the Man" endorsements for any and all organized groups, regardless of subsequent track records vis-a-vis human rights, blah, blah, blah.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jul 22, 2011 12:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Arb, Fenario & Dan

B., just to add add'l info, i pulled out the album insert this morning, with the printed lyrics, and interestingly enough, the 'FUCK' word is CENSORED on the printed lyrics, rendered thus:

"In order to survive we steal lie forge FRED hide and deal"

"Up against the wall FRED"

poor Fred

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Poster: vapors Date: Jul 21, 2011 12:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wharf Rat, Jefferson Airplane, other gentlemen's crimes

For what it’s worth...
From wiki: "We Can Be Together" is the B-side of the "Volunteers" 45 and the first track on Volunteers. The song's music and lyrics were written by Paul Kantner. Kantner was inspired by the Black Panther Party's use of the phrase "Up against the wall, motherfucker" and included it in the chorus.[1] The Airplane performed "We Can Be Together" uncensored on The Dick Cavett Show on August 19, 1969.
While the word "motherfucker" was indeed sung and not censored on the 45, it was mixed lower in the mix as compared to the LP mix, which had no volume manipulation and presented the song "un-buried".